Are We Surprised There's Fraud?

In the recent housing tax credit program - which I opposed because it artifically manipulated the market and was only for first-time buyers (by their definition) - an amazing number of people received benfits that should not have. Result, they must return the money.

In a report just issued by the Treasury Department’s Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA), it is reported that 1.8 million taxpayers claimed benefits to the tune of $12.5 billion. More than half of them - 950,000 people received a credit for homes purchased in 2008. They must repay the money.

Anyone who bought their home with the credit correctly but sells it for a profit within 36 months also must repay the credit. Don't know if the credit lowers the basis or not.

Over $19 billion dollars has been claimed since the initial program was enacted in July 2008, with more than 2.6 million people participating.

It seems that everytime Congress messes with the free market, abuses result.

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Comments

People will always try to take advantage thinking they will not get caught! 

Posted by Robert Rauf (REMN - Real Estate Mortgage Network (NJ)) over 1 year ago

Amen. The government has not helped the real estate industry...from PMI (allowing banks to believe they were bulletproof) to the awful 8k first time buyer program that gave our money to those statistically least likely to pay their mortgage...first time buyers.

Posted by Jeffrey DiMuria www.SouthBrevardBeachHomes.com (Coldwell Banker Sun Land Realty) over 1 year ago

Steve: You are so right---there is a law of physics that goes something like this: There are times when one attempts to change the course of an undesirable situation by interfering with it's natural unfolding (problem solving), one finds the solution to be as problematic as the undesirable situation itself. 

Posted by Paula I Hathaway, Senior Vice President, LBA (Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate) over 1 year ago

Rob,

It really is amazing but true. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Jeffery,

Thank you for those comments. When the government meddles, it takes a long time for it be corrected. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Paula,

Very well stated. Thank you. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve ~ Sad but true.

Posted by Tish Lloyd Real Estate Agent Wrightsville Beach, NC (Wilmington Real Estate 4U 910.547.1446) over 1 year ago

Tish,

Unbelievable isn't it? :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

That's why it's best for the government to just stay out of it all.

Posted by Tim Maitski (Atlanta Communities Real Estate Brokerage) over 1 year ago

Tim,

AGREED!!

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve - congress never confused legislating with "doing". They write this broad sweeping legislation or programs and then rely on bureaucrats to implement.

Posted by Mike Saunders (Lanier Partners) over 1 year ago

Mike,

Often they write legislation with placeholder blank pages or sections - to be filled in at a later date. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve, it's bad when the tax credit is almost expiring and an agent tells you his clients are interested in one of your listings if you can backdate the contract...I wonder how many times that happened? Crazy!

Posted by Wanda Kubat-Nerdin, REALTOR® St. George, Utah (Prado & Kramer Real Estate, St. George, UT 435.632.9374) over 1 year ago

Wanda,

About the same number of times that a customer wants a relative of theirs with a license to be included in the deal. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Where there is money and government, you will always find fraud Steve...

Posted by Paul Henderson, Broker, Realtor® Tacoma,Gig Harbor,DuPont,HartstenePointe (RE/MAX Professionals & Four Seasons Inc.) over 1 year ago

Paul,

A truism. Thanks.

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

The government always wants to ride in on their white horses to save us. Who's going to save us from the follies of government?

Posted by Jon Budish - CDPE (Remax Action Brokers, CDPE - Northern Colorado) over 1 year ago

Jon,

That's the real issue. We have let the monster get too big. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve

I would like to know where the oversight is for my tax dollars?

Gooc luck and success.

Lou Ludwig

Posted by Lou Ludwig CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC, e-PRO, (Ludwig & Associates) over 1 year ago

When Vann Jones asked (derisively) "How's that free market working out for you?" the response should have been "I don't know because you Progressives keep screwing around with it."

And every time they do, it backfires.

Posted by Lane Bailey - REALTOR & Car Guy (Century 21 Results Realty) over 1 year ago

Lou,

Apparently there is some here in Treasury, but not sure about much else. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Lane,

True. They really don't like the free market because they didn't think of it. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Unfortunately there will likely always be fraud, just like there will always be lots of folks doing things right.

Posted by Matt Grohe RE/MAX Des Moines (RE/MAX Real Estate Concepts) over 1 year ago

Matt,

That is true also. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve,

The sad part is the only surprising thing is there wasn't more fraud.

It's a sad thing when big fraud is rewarded and only little frauds are prosecuted! I say jail them all in proportion.

Bill

Posted by William J Archambault Jr (The Real Estate Investment Institute ) over 1 year ago

Steve, it goes to show that the white collar crime is not easily punishable if at all.  I feel that history repeatedly teaches that the working people and the strives bear the brunt of crimes that are not even measurable by our standards and perspectives.  An example is the 'disappearance' of the federal reserve and the concomitant bankruptcy of the US nation state shortly thereafter.  The people should unite, and form a new "government".  Just one dissenting thought from north of the border ;)  Cheers.

Posted by Jark Krysinski & Associates BA,ABR,IMSD (Vancouver,Richmond,Burnaby) (REMAX CREST REALTY WEST 7th) over 1 year ago

Bill,

It comes back to the governmnet entitlement and giveaways. There are excesses all around. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Jark,

Good observations about the crime. It's impact definitely is apportioned among us all. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Steve,
How is this the fault of the Government?  Like you are me these civil servants are imperfect, will and do make mistakes and don't always know the outcome of Bills projected or the long term effects.  To them, the tax credit was a good thing, a help up, a way to get the economy going again.  But the greedy took advantage of the situation and now must pay.  The results of man's greed is show in your figures. 

Steve I'll say it again we need a higher intervention to make things right, not the next Democrat, not the next Republican, not even members from the Tea Party movement can solve man's astonishing degree of problems.  I'm just saying!

Posted by 'Dee' Mayers,REALTOR® — San Gabriel Valley, CA (Century 21 Americana) over 1 year ago

Dee,

I didn't say it was government's fault, but since you pose the question, it is the government's fault in four ways: (1) Congress had no right to pass the bill and was sorely mistaken if they thought this would stimulate a recovery, (2) Congress provided no oversight mechanism to monitor compliance, (3) any existing mechanism at the IRS to oversee the claims and disallow fradulent claims was not utilized until now, and (4) interference in the private sector invariably leads to more issues. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Whenever government decides that they need to overregulate, they usually end up over their heads and we end up paying.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 1 year ago

Steve,

And there is a very thin line between proper regulation and overregulation - that is usually crossed. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

Surprised?  C'mon...

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Jay,

Exactly. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) over 1 year ago

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