Let's talk oil and gas again

It's been a few months since oil and gas has been much of an issue. Both prices fell, and gas was below $1.50 a gallon in many places (not in our area - not even close). Then gas prices creeped back up to the $2.00 mark, fell back, and surged ahead.

In the Tucson area, gas is still available in the low $1.80s and you can find it for over $2.50 a gallon in some markets.

When gas was bordering on the $2.00 mark it would go up a couple of pennies and then fall the same amount. or more I witnessed a 10 cent increase one day and a 10 cent decrease the next. This kind of market response is tricky if you buy on the day it goes up, but it's relatively stable. You know that market forces will prevail and gas prices will remain basically the same over time - rising or dropping a little.

Now, with no big runup in oil procing - but with the Memorial Day weekend just over the ridge, gas prices are really taking off. Oil actually fell back over a dollar today from its midday high and closed under $59 a barrel.

How can gas increse over 20 cents in one day? Where was the market force that caused this? Guess I missed it, but I long for the day in a couple of weeks when that price drops by a quarter in the same day.

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Comments

I always wonder how it can jump double digits in one day too. Gas is about $2.39 a gallon here. Until you go to the more suburban areas and then it is about $2.69.

Posted by Debi Braulik Federal Way Homes For Sale Federal Way WA Search Federal Way Homes (www.kingpiercehomes.com Keller Williams Realty ) about 3 years ago

I was thinking the same thing today Steve.  We usually have cheaper gas in NJ VS other areas, now I am seeing EVERYONE above $2/gal.  Even the cheapo stations are well into the 2's.  Just in time for summer driving season.

Big increase considering a few weeks ago we were in the 1.70's

Posted by Robert Rauf (REMN - Real Estate Mortgage Network (NJ)) about 3 years ago

I can't believe I found your post, spot on. It seems like I just woke up today and gas is now at $2.39/gallon! What did I miss. Seems like just yesterday it was $1.89. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Posted by Scott Baker Realtor Homes for Sale in Cincinnati, West Chester, Mason, OH area (www.eHomeReports.com Coldwell Banker West Shell) about 3 years ago

Gas prices are surely trying to sneak back up on us....hating it although I did switch to a 4 cylinder.

Posted by Mike & Cindy Jones Jacksonville, Fl Real Estate (904) 874-0422 (The Real Estate Station - INI Realty Investments Inc.) about 3 years ago

20-30 cents in a hike is very normal in my area.  then it will decrease 2-5 cents once or twice a day until it is back down to or close to the former price!

Posted by Vern Eaton /Realtor 651-630-6995 (WHISPERING PINES REALTY) about 3 years ago

Gas earlier this week was around $1.91/gallon, next day it was 2.05 - thought I would be 'smart' and wait a day or two for it to fall. Now it is $2.40+      *slap face*

Posted by Ethan Carlson - Licensed Loan Officer (Advantage Lending Corp.) about 3 years ago

WE had a jump this week of about 27 cents...  It all greedy pricing from the guys at the top of the gas/ oil train if you ask me... 

Posted by Caron's Gateway Real Estate about 3 years ago

And July 4th is right around the corner so get ready for that hike...perhaps putting us at the $70 per barrel mark and $3.50 per gallon.

Is there anyone who thinks that fuel won't be $6.00 per gallon in a better economy?

Hurry Chevrolet...get the "Chevy Volt" into fast production...but then electricity will go up in cost, won't it?

Posted by Michael Caruso Real Estate Group about 3 years ago

Here in northern Michigan we have $2.34 a gallon.... not good.  Needs to come down or we will face another non-tourist season.  After last year, we can't afford that to happen. We have seen quite a bit of excitement and buyers have come forward in the last 60 days.  They will certainly back off if gas prices rise much more.

Posted by Lynda Beaton (Coldwell Banker A.L.M. Realty & Associates) about 3 years ago

Steve, gas isn't suposed to follow oil directly, since gasoline is a commodity too, and should be based upon production and stores of gasoline; but it always follows oil on the upside, yet fails to follow it down. Must be magic : )

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) about 3 years ago

Steve,

Wow, if you have gas at under two bucks a gallon, ever anymore, I am jealous.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 3 years ago

Steve - I noticed a 10 cent a gallon price increase overnight on Mother's Day.  However, our prices are quite a bit more than your $1.80.  We seem to be averaging about $2.45 a gallon.

Posted by Myrl Jeffcoat (Real Living Great West Real Estate) about 3 years ago

In addition to the Memorial Day weekend coming up the other thing that effects gas prices in the spring is all the special formulations that are required by our government to keep pollution down during the summer. Because we lack the refining capacity to handle normal demand and the production of all these special formulations supply becomes restricted until about mid-summer. Welcome to our government's lack of a clear energy policy.

Posted by Kathy Toth Ann Arbor Realtor Ann Arbor Real Estate (Keller Williams Ann Arbor Market Center) about 3 years ago

Hi Steve

Oil use is at five year low, and the price of oil is going up, very interesting.

Good luck and success

Lou Ludwig

Posted by Lou Ludwig CRB, CRS, CIPS, GRI, SRES, TRC, e-PRO, (Ludwig & Associates) about 3 years ago

Steve:  I hear that prices will be up at $4/gallon again within a year.  Makes me sick to think about.

Posted by Chris Ann Cleland, Associate Broker, Northern VA (Long & Foster REALTORS®, Gainesville, VA) about 3 years ago

I've never seen the 20 cent increases but I see the 10 cent swings all the time.

Posted by Justin Ukaoma : Kansas City Real Estate Investments (Vizion KC) about 3 years ago

Debi,

It clearly doesn't respond to normal market forces. That's what so bothersome about it. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Robert,

We didn't ever see gas all that low, but anything below $2.00 is now considered good. See how we have been conditioned? :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Scott,

Get in line. It's very hard to understand. When many things begin to increase in price we can buy ahead - not so with gas. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Mike and Cindy,

When we have to shift our behavior because of their pricing something is wrong. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Vern,

We see the big run-up but never the downturn more than just a few cents. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Ethan,

You were treating gas like it had a normal pricing policy - which it doesn't. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Diane,

This one lies squarely in Congress' lap - for excessive regulation, demading way too many grades (more than one is too many), and essentially denying competition. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Michael,

I wouldn't wait for Chevy to do anything - except maybe disappear. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Lynda,

That price seems about average - don't see how it could dampen tourism - unless it dramtically increases. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Steve,

It's not me - it's the folks in Arizona and some of the other areas that traditionally are lower. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Myrl,

Our gas is in the $2.25-2.29, pretty much around the state. That $1,80 is in Arizona. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

John,

I've definitely noticed that, too, but comodities can have production increased, more refining, more distribution, more warehousing, and other such asctions to keep the price in check. We need more players. It's that simple. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Kathy,

You said the magic word - governemnt. This is why prices are so sporadic and unstable. Too much regulation and intolerance for a solution. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Lou,

That's the thing about commodities - it's easy to manipulate the market. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Chris Ann,

I hadn't heard that. If it is, there isn't a sitting member of Congress that doesn't come out against the regulation or lead the charge for domesric drilling who should be allowed to retain their seat. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Justin,

Anything more than a few cents cannot be attributed to anything but market manipulation at some level. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Steve - I don't know much about the hows and whys of the pricing of gasoline.  I do know that the high price of oil, natural gas, and refined gasoline in 2008 resulted in unprecedented interest in oil and gas reserves - previously though uneconomical to extract commercially - in Missouri.  In Missouri, you can either permit specific wells or seek a spacing plan.  I was appointed a hearing officer by the Missouri Oil and Gas Council to conduct a public hearing on a spacing plan in southeast Missouri covering 4-5 counties.  It was the first such application in 50 years.  It is amazing how technology impacts this industry and opens up possible new sources of oil and gas.

Posted by Ryan Shaughnessy, Broker/Attorney - Your Lafayette Square Real Estate Partner (PREA Signature Realty - www.preasignaturerealty.com) about 3 years ago

Ryan,

That sounds like good news. Does this mean that we might get some new players or more drilling? :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

All I know is that oil and natural gas production here in Wyoming has been slashed by the low price of oil. Rig counts are down, layoffs are everywhere. Another typical boom/bust cycle in play. I suppose when the Saudis and OPEC manage to cut their production, we'll see some price increases and get production back in gear.

Posted by Tim Bradley, CCIM Jackson Hole, WY Commercial Real Estate (Contour Investment Properties) about 3 years ago

Tim,

Interesting perspective, but we need to have a "Walmart" approach to energy in this country where competition drives the price of oil, exploration, mining, refining, and distribution down to the lowest possible levels. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Steve - Right now, it doesn't like there will be a substantial increase in drilling.  To be commercially feasible, oil and natural gas price would need to rise above current levels.  I just found it interesting because new technology allows for new reserves.

Posted by Ryan Shaughnessy, Broker/Attorney - Your Lafayette Square Real Estate Partner (PREA Signature Realty - www.preasignaturerealty.com) about 3 years ago

Ryan,

I agree, but I find a more compelling reason for no drilling - the government and the environmentalists don't want it. We really need competition. That's what will drive down the prices - but that won't can't happen either. :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Steve.. Thank you for posting this.  I was going to blog about the same thing.  It blows mine mind how gas here in Cromwell, CT went up .30 cents in less than 5 days.  It went from $2.05 to $2.37... oh the joy of summer and holidays.

valerie osterhoudt

Posted by Valerie Osterhoudt, ABR ~ Cromwell, CT Real Estate ~ 860.883.8889 (Johnson Real Estate, Inc.) about 3 years ago

Valerie,

How can it be normal supply and demand when it's done routinely and in such jumps? :)

Steve

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

Steve,

The jump is not supply & demand, it's the same speculators that drove the prices up in the past. Yes it is interesting how the oil companies raise their price at a higher percentage than the rate per barrel of crude.

Posted by William Newsome (Carousel Realty of Dyer County) about 3 years ago

William,

And we continue to allow them to get away with this. Gas is not a commodity. It is a product, It should respond to market forces but it is insulated. :)

Steve

 

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 3 years ago

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